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Sl.stajalište Crkve vezano uz Gregorian

  
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17.10.2011, 22:38

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"...svjetski poznate, možemo reći i kultne englesko-njemačke glazbene skupine Gregorian predstavili su Tomislav Kašljević, izvršni producent koncerta iz tvrtke Harlem 2, te dogradonačelnik Ivan Vrdoljak kao predstavnik Grada Osijeka.

Pred okupljenim predstavnicima medija Tomislav Kašljević naglasio je da se kod koncerta Gregoriana, osim besprijekorne vokalne izvedbe, radi i o vrhunskoj produkciji. Pozornica je impresivnih dimenzija 19x15 metara (standard je 10x10), dok će aluminijska konstrukcija s 4.5 tone opreme sezati 8 metara u visinu, a o svemu se brine 15 tehničara koji su stalna pratnja grupe.

Ivan Vrdoljak pohvalio je nastojanje menadžerske tvrtke Harlem 2 da Gregorian dovede u Osijek te rekao da će Grad pomoći održavanju ovakvog koncerta koliko je u mogućnosti.

Gregorian je englesko-njemačka glazbena grupa pod vodstvom Franka Petersona, a sastoji se od 8 engleskih pjevača specijaliziranih za gregorijanske napjeve, 4 njemačka glazbenika te kao 9. vokal Amelia Brightman, sestra poznatije Sarah Brightman. Inspirirani gregorijanskim napjevom izvode obrade suvremenih pop i rock pjesama, no zbog pomiješanosti vokalnih i instrumentalnih dionica pjesme, strogo gledano obrade ne pripadaju gregorijanskom napjevu. "

Info: http://www.osijek031.com/osijek.php?najava_id=33801#ixzz1b4awKtMa


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Slijedi članak iz Jutarnjeg lista i to isto je ponovio svećenik jučer na jednom krštenju u mojoj župi i došlo mi je da viknem " E ja bih baš išla samo da imam love "
Ne mogu vjerovati da tako nešto se uopće spominje za vrijeme KRŠTENJA, mislim sramota!!!

http://www.jutarnji.hr/crkva-uoci-koncerta-u-osijeku--gregorian-je-sotonisticka-grupa/981292/

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17.10.2011, 23:35

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Ovo moze samo dokazati da mi je super - duper dosadno ovaj tren...
Dala sam si truda i pronasla rijeci pjesama sa njihovog najnovijeg CD-a. Dakle, tko voli neka malkice procita, pa eto, zakljuci zasto se crkvenjaci protive ovakvom koncertu.


1. Hurt
Original Music & Lyrics: Trent Reznor
Original Artist: Nine Inch Nails
I hurt myself today
to see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the needle tears a hole
the old familiar sting
try to kill it all away
but I remember everything
what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
you could have it all
my empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
I wear this crown of shit
upon my liar's chair
full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
beneath the stains of time
the feeling disappear
you are someone else
I am still right here
what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
you could have it all
my empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
if I could start again
a million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way
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2. My Immortal
Original Music & Lyrics: David Hodges, Amy Lee, Ben Moody
Original Artist: Evanescence
I'm so tired of being here
Supressed by all my childish fears
And if you have to leave
I wish that you would just leave
Cause your presence still lingers here
And it won't leave me alone
These wounds won't seem to heal
This pain is just too real
There's just too much that time can not erase
When you cried I'd wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd fight away all of your fears
And I held your hand through all of these years
But you still have all of me
You used to captivate me by your resonating light
Now I'm bound by the life you left behind
Your face it haunts my once pleasant dreams
Your voice it chased away all the sanity in me
These wounds won't seem to heal
This pain is just too real
There's just too much that time can not erase
When you cried I'd wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd fight away all of your fears
And I held your hand through all of these years
But you still have all of me
I've tried so hard to tell myself that you're gone
But though you're still with me
I've been alone all along
When you cried I'd wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd fight away all of your fears
I held your hand through all of these years
But you still have all of me
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3. The Four Horsemen
Original Music & Lyrics: Evanghelos Papathanassiou, Costas Ferris
Original Artist: Aphrodite's Child
And when the lamb opened the
first seal,
I saw the first Horse.
The Horseman held a bow
Now when the lamb opened the
second seal,
I saw the second Horse
The Horseman held his sword
The leading horse is white
the second horse is red
the third one is a black,
the last one is a green
The leading horse is white
the second horse is red
the third one is a black,
the last one is a green
And when the lamb opened the
third seal,
I saw the third Horse.
The Horseman had a balance
Now when the lamb opened the fourth seal,
I saw the fourth Horse.
The Horseman was the Pest
The leading horse is white
the second horse is red
the third one is a black,
the last one is a green
The leading horse is white
the second horse is red
the third one is a black,
the last one is a green
The leading horse is white
the second horse is red
the third one is a black,
the last one is a green
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4. Unbeliever
Original Music & Lyrics: Michael Soltau/Chiara Ferrau, Michael Soltau
Original Artist: Gregorian
Kingdom of fear
Deserted land
No road leads home
Can't see the end
Lost my soul, now I am just a stranger inside myself
I fear the voices in my head
Unbeliever!
Saint and sinner
Self-deceiver
Growing grimmer
Your true enemy's inside yourself, a demon,
Your darkened faith
Unbeliever!
Mastered by fear
By pain and hate
I'm bound to see
My looming fate
Through the gates, to my soul, a desert is all I see
There's no way leading back to me
Unbeliever!
Saint and sinner
Self-deceiver
Growing grimmer
Your true enemy's inside yourself, a demon,
Your darkened faith
Unbeliever!
You searched the road to lead you home
The Nine Circles you must roam
Are you a tourist in this hell?
Your deep but darkened soul is tearing you apart
It's whispering to you
In the valley of your heart
Unbeliever!
Saint and sinner
Self-deceiver
Growing grimmer
Your true enemy's inside yourself, a demon,
Your darkened faith
Unbeliever!
You're the enemy inside yourself, your demon
Accept your fate!
Unbeliever!
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5. Where The Wild Roses Grow
Original Music & Lyrics: Nicholas Edward Cave
Original Artist: Nick Cave & Kylie Minogue
They call me The Wild Rose
But my name was Elisa Day
Why they call me it I do not know
For my name was Elisa Day
From the first day I saw her I knew she was the one
As she stared in my eyes and smiled
For her lips were the color of the roses
They grew down the river, all bloody and wild
When he knocked on my door and entered the room
My trembling subsided in his sure embrace
He would be my first man, and with a careful hand
He wiped the tears that ran down my face
On the second day I brought her a flower
She was more beautiful than any woman I'd seen
I said, "Do you know where the wild roses grow
So sweet and scarlet and free?"
On the second day he came with a single rose
Said: "Will you give me your loss and your sorrow?"
I nodded my head, as I lay on the bed
He said, "If I show you the roses will you follow?"
On the third day he took me to the river
He showed me the roses and we kissed
And the last thing I heard was a muttered word
As he stood smiling above me with a rock in his fist
On the last day I took her where the wild roses grow
And she lay on the bank, the wind light as a thief
As I kissed her goodbye, I said, "All beauty must die"
And I lent down and planted a rose between her teeth
They call me The Wild Rose
But my name was Elisa Day
Why they call me it I do not know
For my name was Elisa Day
For my name was Elisa Day
For my name was Elisa Day
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6 . Close My Eyes Forever
Original Music & Lyrics: Lita Ford, Ozzy Osbourne
Original Artist: Lita Ford & Ozzy Osbourne
Baby
I get so scared inside, and I don't really understand
Is it love that's on my mind, or is it fantasy?
Heaven
Is in the palm of my hand, and it's waiting here for you
What am I supposed to do with a childhood tragedy?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Sometimes
It's hard to hold on
So hard to hold on to my dreams
It isn't always what it seems
When you're face to face with me
You're like a dagger
And stick me in the heart
And taste the blood from my blade
And when we sleep, would you shelter me
In your warm and darkened grave?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Will you ever take me?
No, I just can't take the pain
But would you ever trust me?
No, I'll never feel the same, Oh
I know I've been so hard on you
I know I've told you lies
If I could have just one more wish
I'd wipe the cobwebs from my eyes
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Close your eyes
Close your eyes
You gotta close your eyes for me
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7. More
Original Music & Lyrics: Andrew Eldritch
Original Artist: Sisters Of Mercy
Some people get by
With a little understanding
Some people get by
With a whole lot more
I don't know
Why you gotta be so undemanding
One thing I know
I want more
I want more
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
(and I need all the love I can get)
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
D'you get scared to feel so much?
To let somebody touch you?
So hot, so cold, so far so out of control
Hard to come by, and harder to hold
Some people get by
With a little understanding
Some people get by
With a whole lot more
I don't know
Why you gotta be so undemanding
I want more
(and I need all the love I can get)
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
(and I need all the love I can get)
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
There are parts of me that don't get nervous
Not the parts that shake
You won't get what you deserve
You are what you take
Learning to cry for fun and profit
I'm not done yet
Counterfeit dollars or the english zloty
Anything I can get
Some people get by
With a little understanding
Some people get by
With a whole lot more
I don't know
Why you gotta be so undemanding
One thing I know
I want more
(and I need all the love I can get)
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
(and I need all the love I can get)
(and I need all the love that I can't get to)
All the love that you can get
All the love
That I can't get to...
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8. Uninvited
Original Music & Lyrics: Alanis Nadine Morissette
Original Artist: Alanis Morissette
Like anyone would be
I am flattered by your fascination with me
Like any hot-blooded woman
I have simply wanted an object to crave
But you, you're not allowed
You're uninvited
An unfortunate slight
Must be strangely exciting
To watch the stoic squirm
Must be somewhat heartening
To watch shepherd need shepherd
But you you're not allowed
You're uninvited
An unfortunate slight
Like any uncharted territory
I must seem greatly intriguing
You speak of my love like
You have experienced love like mine before
But this is not allowed
You're uninvited
An unfortunate slight
I don't think you unworthy
I need a moment to deliberate
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9. The Raven
Original Music & Lyrics: Woolfson-Parsons
Original Artist: Alan Parson's Project
The clock struck midnight
And through my sleeping
I heard a tapping at my door
I looked but nothing lay in the darkness
And so I turned inside once more
To my amazement
There stood a raven
Whose shadow hung above my door
Then through the silence
It spoke the one word
That I shall hear for evermore
Nevermore
Thus quoth the raven, nevermore
And still the raven remains in my room
No matter how much I implore
No words can soothe him
No prayer remove him
And I must hear for evermore
Quoth the raven, nevermore
Nevermore
Thus quoth the raven, nevermore
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10. Gregorian Anthem
Original Music & Lyrics: Gabriel Faure
Adapted by: Jan-Eric Kohrs
Original Artist: Gregorian
You take my death away
Libera me domine
From everlasting death
On that dreadful day
When the earth
Shall be moved
When thou shalt com
e To judge the world
I quake with fear
I tremble
Awaiting the day
Of account and the wrath to come
Libera me domine
Deliver me my Master
That day, the day of anger
Of calamity, of misery
That day, the great day
And most bitter
Libera me domine
Deliver me my Master
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11. Engel (Lim. Ed. Bonus Track)
Original Artist: Rammstein
Wer zu Lebzeit gut auf Erden
Wird nach dem Tod ein Engel werden
Den Blick Ogen Himmel fragst du dann
Warum man sie nicht sehen kann
Erst wenn die Wolken schlafengehn
Kann man uns am Himmel sehn
Wir haben Angst und sind allein
Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein
Sie leben hinterm Horizont
Getrennt von uns unendlich weit
Sie mussen sich an Sterne krallen (ganz fest)
Damit sie nicht vom Himmel fallen
Erst wenn die Wolken schlafengehn
Kann man uns am Himmel sehn
Wir haben Angst und sind allein
Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein
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11. Ave Satani
Original Music & Lyrics: Jerry Goldsmith
Aus der Film "The Omen".
Sanguis bibimus
Corpus edibus
Sanguis bibimus
Corpus edibus.
Rolle corpus
Satani
Ave
Ave, ave versus Christus
Ave, ave versus Christus
Ave Satani
Sanguis bibimus
Corpus edibus
Rolle corpus
Satani, Satani, Satani
Ave, ave Satani
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12. The End
Original Music & Lyrics: John Paul Densmore, robert A. Krieger, Reymond D. Manzarek, Jim Morrison
Original Artist: The Doors
This is the end, Beautiful friend
This is the end, My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be, So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane.
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13. In The Shadows
Original Music & Lyrics: Yloenen, Heinonen, Rantasalmi, Hakala
Original Artist: The Rasmus
No sleep
No sleep until I am done with finding the answer
Won't stop
Won't stop before I find a cure for this cancer
Sometimes
I feel I going down and so disconnected
Somehow
I know that I am haunted to be wanted
I've been watching
I've been waiting
In the shadows all my time
I've been searching
I've been living
For tomorrows all my life
In the shadows
In the shadows
They say
That i must learn to kill before i can feel safe
But I
I rather kill myself then turn into their slave
Sometimes
I feel that I should go and play with the thunder
Somehow
I just don't wanna stay and wait for a wonder
I've been watching
I've been waiting
In the shadows all my time
I've been searching
I've been living
For tomorrows all my life
Lately I been walking walking in circles, watching waiting for something
Feel me touch me heal me, come take me higher
I've been watching
I've been waiting
In the shadows all my time
I've been searching
I've been living
For tomorrows all my life
I've been watching
I've been waiting
I've been searching
I've been living for tomorrows
In the shadows
In the shadows
I've been waiting

user posted image Ja im ne bih dala niti lipu za taj koncert.

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18.10.2011, 07:30

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Mamacita, znači svaki put kada je neki koncert i od ovih izvođača čije su pjesme prepjevali, svećenici bi trebali pozivati na nedolaženje jer njihove pjesme sadrže sotonističke elemente? Gdje je nestala sloboda izbora i mišljenja? I to će nam crkva određivati? Zar bi trebali slušati samo crkvene pjesme i pjesmice lakih nota?user posted image I poanta moga posta je za one koji nisu skužili kako jedan svećenik može to i spominjati za vrijeme primanja sakramenta KRŠTENJA ?!

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18.10.2011, 07:33

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najbolje da svi slušamo radio Mariju i čitamo Glas koncila user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image

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16.06.2004.

28.06.2010. !!!!

Prije nego što prijeđeš ulicu uhvati me za ruku. Život je ono što ti se dešava dok ti razmišljaš o drugim stvarima.

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18.10.2011, 07:42

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Mišice kako si se usudila tako nešto napisati? Sada ćeš i ti biti na tapeti zbog 666 iz mišicauser posted image

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18.10.2011, 07:51

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svi pravi vjernici se nebi trebali družiti sa mnom ja sam sotonista user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image . (kvragu mislila sam da sam se dobro maskirala )

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16.06.2004.

28.06.2010. !!!!

Prije nego što prijeđeš ulicu uhvati me za ruku. Život je ono što ti se dešava dok ti razmišljaš o drugim stvarima.

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18.10.2011, 09:06

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Citat iz članka:"Grupa Gregorian ne izvodi kršćanski gregorijanski koral, već obrade pop i rock hitova s naglašenim sotonističkim elementima."
Ma mislim najlakše je blebetati gluposti pa da dospiješ u novine. Živa glupost. Pošaljite ih u Zadar, ja ću poć na sotonistički koncert. Za sati pol idem kod svećenika platiti obveze u crkvu, baš ću ga pitat jel nam odobrava odlazakuser posted image

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Sretna i ponosna :)
Toni i Laura
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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18.10.2011, 11:26

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Imamo prekrasnu kršćansku vjeru, koja se temelji na vrlinama... skromnost, tolerantnost, ljubav prema bližnjem....a onda s druge strane imamo instituciju (crkvu) koja tu istu vjeru propagira  upravo suprotnim od njenog nauka i jedina misao vodilja im je profit...oni sve drugo vide kao prijetnju brojnosti njihovog stada, a time i smanjenjem prinosa.....

Ja se smatram vjernikom, jer vjerujem i trudim koliko je moguće u današnjem vremenu voditi se kršćanskim vrijednostima i isto prenijeti na svoje potomke, ali u crkvu ne idem niti mi pada na pamet uzastopno slušati, a kamoli poslušati te licemjere (svaka čast rijetkim izuzecima).

Od kad sam počela slušati te njihove propovjedi, nije niti jedna misa prošla da mi nije došlo da bacim kakvu trulu rajčicu na veleuzvišene....što se s tih oltara moglo čuti je grozota, slijedom takvog iskustva ovo me niti malo ne iznenađuje.....

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18.10.2011, 11:46

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Moja baba koji inače živi na brdu i nepismena je, kaže da su u komunizmu bar šutili i ne petljali se tamo di im nije mjesto..možda i ima pravo. Ne zna naravno za tu grupu, al zna da se tu nema šta crkva petljat .Volim Gregorijan, te ne razumijem kakav sotonizam (pjevaju savršeno brojne obrade) kad ih je sam Vatikan pozvao da pjevaju u Izraelu na nekakvom mirovnom skupu..to govori o stavu Crkve.

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Kršćanka sam,(što su oni nemam pojma) ali ne zanima me takva glazba niti uživam u takvoj glazbi,na koncert ne bi išla.


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kćer 25.10.2010

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18.10.2011, 12:43

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IZVORNA PORUKA: mariola

Citat iz članka:"Grupa Gregorian ne izvodi kršćanski gregorijanski koral, već obrade pop i rock hitova s naglašenim sotonističkim elementima."
Ma mislim najlakše je blebetati gluposti pa da dospiješ u novine. Živa glupost. Pošaljite ih u Zadar, ja ću poć na sotonistički koncert. Za sati pol idem kod svećenika platiti obveze u crkvu, baš ću ga pitat jel nam odobrava odlazakuser posted image



bravo mariola i ja bi odmah s tobom otišla slušati te sotonističke pjesme... super su mi...


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mama jednog velikog i jednog malo manjeg dečka... dva mamina zlata... dočekali smo i Katju ... treće zlato u maminom srcu :)

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18.10.2011, 19:47

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Ja ovdje ne branim stav crkve, niti malo, jer mislim da je to iracionalan strah. Ja ovdje govorim o vrsti muzike, i o njihovim pjesmama i rijecima tih istih pjesama. Mene ne odusevljavaju mracnjaci i rijeci koje govore o samoubojstvu i o drugiranju (busenja rupice u svojoj kozi) procitajte rijeci malo, pa ond aprokomentirajte. Zasto branite nesto, a rijeci bi uistinu mogle biti kontra vaseg zivotnog nazora. Ja voli poslusati J. Coocker-a, G. Michael-a, P. Dominga ... ali njih ne mogu otici gledati zbog cijene njihovih ulaznica a ne zbog rijeci njihovih pjesama.

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icucek, presmiješnouser posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image

 
išla bih da sam pri lovi jer ih volim slušati.


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Gosn Braco 20.12.2012.

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18.10.2011, 19:57

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXc7LKxBV-w&feature=related
Molim te odi i poslušaj pjesmu, to je obrada od Eurythmics-a. Oni samo mijenjaju glazbu, a riječi ostaju izvorne originalu, s toga me čudi da imaš tako uskogrdan pogled na razne izvođače!

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18.10.2011, 20:16

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i ako sam druge vjere...ovdje se slazem mammacitom...
treba da postujete svoje i ako vam se ne svidza ne da dizete ruke od toga nego treba da promjenite...ponekada imam osjecaj da zelite biti kao svi ostali,otvorenog uma i modernog..meni je to super ali ne dizite ruke od svoga..uvjek sam mislila da smo mi bosanci takvi a izgleda da ste i vi nama slicni u tomuser posted image user posted image

< Poruku je uredio jagodicabobica -- 18.10.2011 20:28:10 >

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da su sotonisti ili da propagiraju sotonizam mislim da je malo prejaka izjava, ali od naših popova na to smo se i naučili. ipak iako sam većinom na strani onih koji nešto romore kontra crkvenjaka i inih većih katolika od Pape, ovaj put moram reći nešto u obranu Crkve: gregorijanski napjevi (oni pravi) su duboki izraz vjere u Boga i božansko kojeg su izvodili svećenici/braća u samostanima kao dio svojih redovnih molitvi. Većinom su (ako ne i sve) sami zapisi iz Svetog Pisma - što je za svakog tko vjeruje ipak sveta Riječ. Osobno jako volim slušati original gregorijanu i ona me uzdiže u neke druge sfere... s druge strane imamo bend dobrih pjevača ilitiga zbor/hor koji pod krinkom gregorijane pakiraju pop-rock-kvazi-glam nešto u opet kvazi skoro pa gregorijanski način pjevanja (koji je inače i posebna kategorija pjevanja). To je ekipa koja u mantijama zgrće velike pare po svijetu i to je to. Meni u svemu tome smeta znakovlje križeva i svećeničke odjeće koju koriste na nastupima, ali njihove pjesme (koje zapravo nisu njihove) sigurno nisu sotonističke. Jedino što kad bi obukli na sebe klasične zborovske komade odjeće ne bi bili ni djelomično zanimljivi kao što jesu.. da nema sve te konotacije koketiranja s Svetim i /nesvetim da tako kažem bili bi jednostavno zbor kao i svaki drugi.. a koliko me pamćenje služi - nikada neki zbor nije napunio svjetske dvorane... (ok osim harlem tip bla zborovi, ali i to je priča za sebe)... dakle sve je to marketing... e sad tko voli gledati zgodne momke u mantijama kako lijepo i zvonko pjevaju user posted image user posted image user posted image user posted image hahahah o tome neću...

Crkva bi od njih mogla tražiti da maknu monašku odjeću i eventualno naziv grupe, ali to je sve.... i razumijem da to nekima smeta... ja se osobno nadam da će barem netko od svih tih slušaoca doći doma i poslušati pravu gregorijanu ...

PS: Zar onaj spot od Enigme nije genijalan? (Mea culpa) user posted image user posted image

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Blagoslovljeni najljepšom zvjezdicom s neba - došla nam je naša Stella 6.2.2011.

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18.10.2011, 20:48

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Meni osobno ne smeta to što imaju na sebi, brate mili da su goli izašli na binu pjevati, ako mi se slušaju super, ako ne, opet dobro. Upravo u tome i je bit cijele priče, što njihovi prepjevi nemaju veze sa sotonizmom. Ja osobno obožavam prvi album Enigme i kada god stignem ja ga slušam.

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18.10.2011, 21:11

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IZVORNA PORUKA: škorpioni

Kršćanka sam,(što su oni nemam pojma) ali ne zanima me takva glazba niti uživam u takvoj glazbi,na koncert ne bi išla.


potpisujem ,ne znam čak ni zašto,ali ježim se od neke nelagode kad ih vidim i čujem


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18.10.2011, 21:19

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Ne kužim u čemu je problem. Mislim da pretjerujete svi: i Crkva i vi koji pljujete po njoj. Činjenica je da se Crkva trebala ograditi, odnosno reći da oni ne pjevaju kršćanski gregorijanski koral, da vjernici ne bi bili u zabludi. E sad, ne slažem se s bojkotom koncerta, ali se slažem s tim da su trebali reći: Dragi vjernici, to vam nije kršćanska glazba, a vi ako baš hoćete izvolite. S druge strane, nikad mi nije bilo jasno zašto se oni koji uopće nisu vjernici, odmah dohvate Crkve. Pa a ko ja u nešto ne vjerujem, briga me što govore i o čemu pišu. I da ne bi bilo zabune, nisam ja nikakav odvjetnik Crkve, osjetila sam ja njihovu nepravdu na svojim leđima, više nego što mislite!
A što se Gregoriana tiče, nisam ih nikad slušala uživo, voljela bih da jesam, baš me zanima. Nisam baš neki fan takve glazbe, ali radoznala sam što se zvuka tiče i da imam priliku, otišla bih na koncert.


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Baci brigu na veselje!

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18.10.2011, 21:29

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Draga Sarah_zg ja nisam otvorila ovu temu sa namjerom pljuvanja po crkvi. Ja sam vjernica, odgojena u katoličkoj obitelji, ali napominjem vjernica koja vjeruje u Boga. Crkva je institucija protiv koje ja nemam ništa protiv. Protiv svećenika? E tu bi si dala prostora za razmišljanje... Samo mi ide na živce što nisu dali izjavu u stilu kao što si ti rekla, jer ovo što su oni izjavili nema veze s vezom!

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18.10.2011, 22:03

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Ira, prije nego li pocnes tako zivahno braniti ljude koje u biti uopce ne poznajes, i ne znas u sta vjeruju niti kakvim se ritualima bave, nemoj odmah odbacivati cinjenicu da uistinu jedna od ovih njihovih bajnihpjesama uistinu opisuje drogiranje. Pitam se, da li je to u redu? Pored zdravih usiju biti ... gluh?

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18.10.2011, 22:19

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U kojoj sam ja rečenici tako živahno branila Gregorian kao grupu. Ja branim slobodu izbora, bar moga! Zašto bi me zanimalo u čega oni vjeruju, oprosti, ali nikada nisam sudila nikoga po onome u čega vjeruje, šta oblači, kako priča... nego samo kakav je čovijek. A to je već tema za sebe. Ako žele pjevati o drogoranju, sexu... tko sam ja ili ti da im sudim? Ne sviđa ti se, ok, ne moraš ih slušati, ali nemoj niti ti toliko braniti izjave svećenika koje isto tako ne poznaješ. Sjećaš li se teme " Svećenik pedofil "?

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18.10.2011, 22:47

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99% glazbenika i glumaca se drogiraju ili piju ili se heuser posted image bu skime stignu pa bi po tome trebali bojkotirati sve njih jer ne propagiraju kršćanske vrijednosti. ma daj....

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28.06.2010. !!!!

Prije nego što prijeđeš ulicu uhvati me za ruku. Život je ono što ti se dešava dok ti razmišljaš o drugim stvarima.

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18.10.2011, 23:19

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Divno... jos jedna svadja oko svecenika. Cuj, do sada mislim da sam u dovoljno navrata dala do znanja da ja nisam katolik, niti da su mi svecenicke izjave nesto sto primam srcu, dakle, u ovom slucaju ne branim svecenike, stoga, slow down, vjeru izbaci iz ovih mojih odgovora. Dakle, ako ovi pjevaju o drogi i drogiranju, tebi je to ok, i ti bi to vrlo rado slusala? Onda, je tvoj ukus muzike mozda mrvicu izoblicen, no hej, ljudi smo i imamo pravo i slusati i govoriti sto nas volja. Isto tako kako branis svoju slobodu govora, i slusanja muzike koja ti se svidja, tako isto ima slobodu govora ovaj gore spomenuti svecenik, pa ja pitam vas, zasto vam je toliko bas "stao na zulj" svojom izjavom. Ta sloboda govora je ustavno pravo, ili se varam. Slobodu govora imaju i nasi politicari (na zalost), moja djeca, svi zivi... osim mozda zena u Arapskim zemljama. Stoga, ako je ovaj svecenik to rekao, onda on ima tu slobodu, jel' da?!

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19.10.2011, 10:00

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Opet o crkvi, a nije riječ o tome.user posted image Meni je bend super, svaki pjevač u grupi ima visoko muzičko znanje, nisu po kafanama pjevali i imaju pravo doći opet, da ih se sluša, onaj tko želi. Jebe se meni što tamo neki pop želi biti Anđelko Kaćunko, pa se petlja di ne treba .Samo im time dižu popularnost. A ako hoćete stav Vatikana, imate ga. Sam Vatikan ih je pozvao kako bi pjevali na mirovnim pregovorima a da su "nepoćudni" po njihovim mjerilima, tada ih ne bi pozvali. Bila sam i prije dvije godine i opet idem. Koga smeta, nek okrene glavu.user posted image

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